Scripture
John 20:31
These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.
2 Tim. 3:14-15
But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it, and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
Comment
Are we going to trust the word of 4 guys who apparently don’t even have last names, that there was this guy Jesus, after all weren’t those 4 guys “followers” of Jesus?
Groups of disciples on multiple occasions claimed to have seen the Risen Christ.
That is a fact.
There might be various explanations for this but you can’t just say that they didn’t claim to have seen the Risen Christ.
If you do that, you are writing off all of ancient history
You could also ask: “How do we know if Socrates existed?”
There is probably not a philosopher in the world who doubts the existence of Socrates.
Nobody doubts that there was a Socrates.
Yet how do we know there was a Socrates?
The truth of it is we have only three sources.
Plato, Xenophon, (who were disciples of Socrates) and a satire written by Aristophanes.
Do you hold that because the documents relating to Socrates often came after his death is the reason that we are not going to believe a word of it?
If you apply the standard used by atheists for determining the validity of historic Biblical writings, you may have to right off ALL of ancient history.
We would not believe anything we read.
We wouldn’t believe Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
We wouldn’t believe Alexander the Great conquered Egypt.
We wouldn’t believe that Socrates was walked the streets of Athens.
Essentially ancient history would be reduced to complete nonsense.
Mainstream historians are in no doubt that there was a Jesus.
Source: Dinesh D’Souza v Dan Barker and John Loftus debates
Showing posts with label Resurrection. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Resurrection. Show all posts
Monday, June 27, 2011
1 Corinthians 15:12-14 - Resurrection
Scripture 1 Corinthians 15:12-14
[12] Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
[13] But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised;
[14] if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
Comment
Mainstream historians generally concede these 5 accepted facts of the Resurrection of Jesus as a historical event.
There was a man called Jesus
He lived on the earth, he preached, he made a lot of enemies, they got a hold of him and they crucified him
After they killed him they stuck him into a cave and they put a big stone in front of it and had Roman guards guarding it.
Later, some disciples, notably women, showed up and claimed that when they got to the tomb the tomb was empty
Numerous groups of disciples (a bunch of Jesus followers including some sceptics) on different occasions said
we saw the Risen Christ. We saw Jesus after his death, he spoke to us, we touched His wounds, we saw the guy, He is alive.
The disciples were so excited and animated by this they began a movement of conversion - the greatest conversion movement in history. Even in the face of horrible persecution and opposition such as people saying to them “Renounce Jesus or be killed”, many of them went to their deaths.
What explanation makes sense of those facts?
The Jews, for the first couple of centuries after the death of Jesus said the disciples stole the body.
They stole the body and claimed that Jesus was resurrected.
But think about it, disciples mainly women fought off the Roman guards and rolled back a big stone and then stole the body.
It is a little far fetched.
How would they have done that?
If they have stolen the body they would have known Jesus was actually dead and yet why would they go to their deaths and the face persecution for what they know to be a lie.
Who gives their life for a lie – for what they know to be a lie?
Modern theorists dismiss this.
If the resurrection happened, it makes sense of those five facts.
Source: Dinesh D’Souza v Dan Barker (and) John Loftus debates
[12] Now if Christ is preached as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
[13] But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ has not been raised;
[14] if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
Comment
Mainstream historians generally concede these 5 accepted facts of the Resurrection of Jesus as a historical event.
There was a man called Jesus
He lived on the earth, he preached, he made a lot of enemies, they got a hold of him and they crucified him
After they killed him they stuck him into a cave and they put a big stone in front of it and had Roman guards guarding it.
Later, some disciples, notably women, showed up and claimed that when they got to the tomb the tomb was empty
Numerous groups of disciples (a bunch of Jesus followers including some sceptics) on different occasions said
we saw the Risen Christ. We saw Jesus after his death, he spoke to us, we touched His wounds, we saw the guy, He is alive.
The disciples were so excited and animated by this they began a movement of conversion - the greatest conversion movement in history. Even in the face of horrible persecution and opposition such as people saying to them “Renounce Jesus or be killed”, many of them went to their deaths.
What explanation makes sense of those facts?
The Jews, for the first couple of centuries after the death of Jesus said the disciples stole the body.
They stole the body and claimed that Jesus was resurrected.
But think about it, disciples mainly women fought off the Roman guards and rolled back a big stone and then stole the body.
It is a little far fetched.
How would they have done that?
If they have stolen the body they would have known Jesus was actually dead and yet why would they go to their deaths and the face persecution for what they know to be a lie.
Who gives their life for a lie – for what they know to be a lie?
Modern theorists dismiss this.
If the resurrection happened, it makes sense of those five facts.
Source: Dinesh D’Souza v Dan Barker (and) John Loftus debates
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